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This is the Voice of America Studio One.

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Greetings my friends.

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I am Munkah.

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You have asked why have we not contacted people in a...

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This is purported to be a message brought to earth by an extraterrestrial, a crew member

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of what some call UFOs, unidentified flying objects, or simply flying saucers.

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The message was recorded by this man.

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I am Gabriel Green, president of the Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America.

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It's a non-profit organization designed to bring a greater measure of freedom to all mankind

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through the application of the universal laws and principles that we have received from

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extraterrestrial sources.

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Our goals are to bring physical, spiritual, and economic emancipation of mankind.

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Over the last 11 years I have been investigating some of the most mysterious, some of the famous

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UFO cases.

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And in every instance I have found that if one digs deeply enough and works hard enough

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that there always emerges a very prosaic, terrestrial explanation for all of these cases.

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Philip Klass, an aviation writer and author of the book UFOs Explained.

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In many cases people are indeed seeing something that they're having trouble identifying.

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And so in that sense we can say that yes they have seen unidentified flying objects.

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If you mean do I think people have been seeing extraterrestrial spaceships then my answer

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would be an unequivocal and flat no.

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The point is that anyone that you approach to discuss proof has a different requirement

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for proof.

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L.J. Lorenzen, an electronics designer and officer in the aerial phenomenon research

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organization.

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Proof isn't an absolute thing.

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It depends on the requirements of the ProoV I guess.

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And the most physical scientists say the kind of proof they want is something they can hold

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in their hand or take into their laboratory.

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Well you know in courts of law we don't require that kind of proof.

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We require for instance overwhelming substantial evidence.

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Well that's what we've got in the case of the unidentified flying object.

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From Studio One the Voice of America presents Unidentified Flying Objects.

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The debate continues.

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Your narrator is Harry Munro.

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In 1947 an American businessman piloting a small private plane in the vicinity of Mount

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Rainier in the northwest state of Washington saw what he described as saucer like objects.

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Soon a lot of other people were claiming that they too were seeing unidentified flying

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objects.

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The modern era of the UFO had begun.

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Individuals, organizations and even the federal government became involved.

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One privately financed organization that studies UFOs is NYCAP, the National Investigations

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Committee on Aerial Phenomena.

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NYCAP founded in 1957 has approximately 5,000 members.

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It is headed by John Acuff.

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Oh actually I've been interested in unidentified flying objects since I was very young.

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Since they were first reported back in 1947.

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First of the modern sightings anyway.

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My educational background is in the sciences and as a scientist I guess I have a curiosity

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about a lot of things and UFOs were one of the things that I was very curious about.

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NYCAP has about 90 volunteer investigators who gather data on UFO sightings.

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These investigators send their material to NYCAP headquarters near Washington DC where

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it is further analyzed.

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When somebody reports a UFO to NYCAP or to any one of many of our government agencies

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they turn the agencies, turn the report over to NYCAP and NYCAP then contacts a field investigator

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that is nearby the witness.

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The investigator is somebody that we have chosen very carefully.

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They volunteer their time for us by the way.

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They first evaluate the witness because we are highly dependent on the testimony of an

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individual so you have to know quite a bit about that particular person whether he is

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a believable person or not.

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Then the investigation centers on the object or phenomena itself and they try to determine

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everything they possibly can about the nature of this object.

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And then thirdly the investigation starts centering on the environmental conditions

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that were in existence at the time the object was seen.

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About 80% of all of the reports that come in can be identified as something conventional.

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But the final 20% is what makes this field so very very interesting when you just cannot

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identify it as anything that we know of.

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Most of NYCAP's investigations are conducted within the United States but according to

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John Acuff sightings seem to be distributed throughout the whole world.

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Yes, in fact not too long ago in the country of Iran there was a very interesting case

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where a rapidly moving bright light was seen over the city of Tehran and the Iranian Air

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Force Base in that area sent a jet up to try to determine what this light was.

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The jet came close to the object, was picking the object up on airplane radar and trailing

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it at a very high speed and suddenly the pilot lost all communication with the ground and

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with his co-pilot so he decided he should turn around and go back which he immediately

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Another jet was then scrambled, he got very close to the object and suddenly the object

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sped up and started pacing him out in front and he too had the object on cockpit radar

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in the plane as well as visual sighting of it.

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This is the kind of case that we particularly like to get because there is hard data in

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there that radar return backs up the visual impressions of the witnesses and the witnesses

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in the case are people who are very very well qualified to observe something in the sky.

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A pilot is about as good of a witness as you can find.

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Even the most experienced flight crews can be grossly in error in trying to report or

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describe what they have seen in broad daylight and their errors can be even more serious

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in darkness.

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Aviation writer and author Philip Klass tells of a specific case he investigated.

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June 5th, 1969 an American Airlines jetliner was flying over St. Louis headed east for

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Washington D.C. A few miles west of that airliner was a United Airlines airplane and

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several miles behind the United Aircraft was an Air National Guard fighter plane.

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All of these aircraft operated by very experienced civil and military flight crews.

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daylight, unlimited visibility.

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And suddenly a member of the crew in the lead airplane looked to the east and said, my God,

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what's that?

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And here coming at them and what seemed to be a midair collision situation was not one

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but a squadron of what they described as being metallic rocket propelled UFOs.

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At the last moment the UFOs seemed to maneuver out of the way and the crew called down to

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the St. Louis tower and said we've just had a near miss with some UFOs.

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Do you have any unidentified targets on your radar scope?

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And the controller came back and said yes, we do have two unidentified targets.

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Now the United Airlines crew had heard this radio report and a few moments later they

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came on the air and said we saw it too.

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And a few moments after that the jet fighter pilot came on the radio and said my gosh they

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nearly got me if they hadn't maneuvered out of my way there would have been a collision.

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Now we know exactly what it was that these pilots mistook for a squadron of flying saucers.

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It was a meteor or a fireball re-entering the atmosphere out of the east.

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And the reason we know precisely what it was and what the UFO looked like was that an alert

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newspaper photographer named Alan Harkrater out at Peoria happened to was lucky enough

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to get a picture of it.

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From 1947 to 1969 the United States Air Force took an active interest in investigating reports

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of unidentified flying objects.

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The Air Force's study was called Project Blue Book.

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Air Force Captain Gary Huxworth explains.

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The investigation was conducted under the name Project Blue Book by the Foreign Technology

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Division at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

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And when the final report was done or when a report on that investigation was done by

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the University of Colorado that popular became known as the Blue Book also.

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The report prepared by the University of Colorado was officially entitled Scientific Study of

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Unidentified Flying Objects.

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It was later reviewed by the National Academy of Sciences.

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Again Captain Huxworth.

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The result of the investigations and the studies that were conducted during this 22 year period

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was that no UFO that was reported, investigated or evaluated by the Air Force ever gave any

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indication of a threat to our national security.

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There's been no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as unidentified or extraterrestrial

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vehicles.

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NiCAP's John A. Kuff questions the way the government handled its study of UFOs.

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The United States government did study UFOs for about 22 years.

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We do not feel that the research effort was of the highest quality.

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Maybe it is something that is unknown.

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The U.S. government should be studying it.

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But all official announcements are that they are not studying UFOs.

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Gabriel Green of the Amalgamated Flying Saucer Clubs of America offers his opinion.

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Mr. Green, once a photographer with the Los Angeles City Board of Education, resigned

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his job so he could work full time studying UFOs.

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The Air Force of the United States was charged with the security of the skies over our nation.

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They have constantly said that the UFOs do not constitute a threat to our security.

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What were their more advanced technology if they had chosen to?

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They could have conquered not only this nation but the rest of the world when they first

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came here.

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But they are here in our skies only as observers trying to impart enough information so that

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our societies can advance spiritually to the point where we can control our technology

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constructively and use it for the benefit of man rather than to destroy ourselves.

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Mr. Green maintains that government leaders, both in the United States and elsewhere, are

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aware of and have had contact with visitors from outer space.

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However, he claims most of these contacts have remained secret.

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He offers a reason why.

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The main one seems to be that since our economy is based on fossil fuel power such as gas,

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coal, oil, that the introduction of a new type of power which would make obsolete overnight

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all present forms of power would become a threat to our economic stability.

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Therefore, certain economic interests have been attempting to thwart knowledge of these

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extraterrestrials and have used their influence to keep mankind as ignorant as possible.

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That is sheer utter nonsense.

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That's Philip Klass with an opposing view.

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In the early days of the UFO movement, if you will, back in the late 40s and in the

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early 50s, there was some secrecy.

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The United States was then preparing and beginning to use spy balloons, some very large high-altitude

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balloons which would be released in West Europe and were equipped with cameras that would fly

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over the Iron Curtain, over the Soviet Union, taking pictures.

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We knew, the Air Force knew and the Central Intelligence Agency knew, that when some of

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those high-altitude balloons were tested in this country, they produced a lot of UFO reports

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when they were seen because they flew very high, pilots would see them far above them,

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reflecting sunlight and they had a metallic look.

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So if our own spy balloons produced UFO reports, then the question was when we get UFO reports

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from parts of our country, there were none of our spy balloons flying, perhaps they were

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Russian spy balloons.

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And so there was concern that perhaps UFOs might be secret Russian reconnaissance vehicles

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and there was also in the early days the possibility that they could be extraterrestrial spacecraft.

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Certainly in the first several years one could not rule that out.

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But the Air Force declassified all of their UFO reports back around 69 or 70.

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All of those reports are now available to the public in the National Archives.

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But I worked for a magazine called Aviation Week in Space Technology that is famous for

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breaking stories that the government doesn't want published.

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We have many other The New York Times, The Washington Post broke the Watergate scandal

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that President Nixon didn't want published.

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So if President Nixon, if Richard Nixon was not able to keep the Watergate under cover,

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despite all of his efforts in power, if he wasn't able to keep it under wraps for more

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than a year, I would say that argues that the U.S. government certainly could not keep

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UFOs or any UFO secret under cover for 30 years.

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The oldest organization which studies UFOs is the Aerial Phenomenon Research Organization.

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APRO's L.J.

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Lorenzen tells more.

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We started in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin in 1952.

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We're the oldest organization doing this kind of work now, I think anywhere on this

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planet.

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So we started sort of as a fan club because in those days we thought we're going to learn

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the big answer any day and we were interested possibly in bringing a little pressure to

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bear against government agencies that we felt sure would have the answer.

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But as years went by we began to change our philosophy because the answers weren't forthcoming.

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In fact we began to get less and less satisfactory answers.

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So then we changed our emphasis and we began to recruit scientific consultants to help us

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guide our efforts and we gradually evolved from what might originally have been called

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a fan club we evolved into a bona fide research organization which is devoted to gathering

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and cataloging the evidence.

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The cases that APRO investigates are divided into four classes of close encounters with

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unidentified flying objects.

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The non-specific class which we just call CE0 deals with any kind of structured object

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that's seen near enough so that structural details can be determined and preferably we

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like more than one witness to these.

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Then close encounter type number one we have an object seen within 500 feet of the witness.

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Number two we have cases where the vehicle touched down or did something left physical

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residue that can be examined and also sometimes the top of a tree is broken off by the passage

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of the vehicle.

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Close encounter type number three occupants of the vehicle are seen either in the vehicle

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or near it if landed and then probably the most crucial type of all is close encounter

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type number four which involves overt interference in the life of a human.

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It is this last classification close encounter number four that Betty and Barney Hill a New

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England couple claimed to have had.

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The Hills say that while driving down a dark road one evening they were abducted and taken

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aboard an unidentified flying object.

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I wouldn't call kidnapping a friendly gesture.

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This is Betty Hill now a widow.

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Her husband Barney died a few years ago.

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To her unidentified flying objects are real.

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Her story was the subject of both a book and a special television program.

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Here is how Mrs. Hill in her own words describes the crew of a UFO.

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You have to remember they're just like us individual differences but basically they're

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small and very large eyes flat profile almost no nose thin flip for mouth no hair no ears

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no eyebrows no eyelashes.

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There are other reports of humans coming face to face with extraterrestrials.

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The descriptions are similar to Betty Hills.

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Again L.J.

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Lorenzen.

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I would say that two remarkable examples of correlation were a case involving Travis

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Walton of Snowflake Arizona and Sergeant Moody of Holloman Air Force Base.

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They described identical aliens in their stories.

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They described aliens who had large heads but were smaller in body than we are.

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Slight of build very large eyes very small insignificant nose just a slit for a mouth

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very small ears no hair no fingernails no eyebrows.

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I investigated both cases and I know that neither man could have known about the other

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man's case.

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I've seen over a hundred craft over a twenty year period.

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I've personally met with about half a dozen different extraterrestrials.

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Gabriel Green says that the extraterrestrials he met were friendly.

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Most of the contacts that are of the ambassadorial type and by that I mean a high echelon of

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representative who has taken the trouble to learn our language and for the purpose

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of communicating information to people they contact here whom we call contactees have

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been from our own solar system.

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They claim members of the Universal Confederation of Planets which has legal jurisdiction of

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this area of space in which our planet resides and this confederation is composed of several

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hundred different planets.

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There probably are several dozen cases to my knowledge maybe a few more in which people

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claim yes that they have been aboard a flying saucer.

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Once again Philip Klass.

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Now in the early days of the UFO or flying saucer movement back in the early fifties

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there was a man named George Adamsky who is now dead who claimed that he went on board

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a giant UFO on a number of occasions but always as an invited guest.

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In other words that they would in effect send a small flying saucer to pick him up and invite

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him and he'd go up and would be entertained royally.

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But recently the stories have changed now people claim that they were abducted against

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their will and taken on board the UFO for a physical examination.

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Now the interesting thing is that despite these several dozen people who make these claims

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and despite the fact that we human beings are great souvenir collectors there has not been

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a single one of these people that has ever brought back an extraterrestrial souvenir.

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So it is my belief that all of these cases of people claiming to have been aboard a UFO

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are spurious.

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I would go further and say that in all but at least one case they are in my opinion intentional

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hoaxes because there is by making such claims these people have the opportunity to become

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internationally famous they hope to become rich and some of them do acquire considerable

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money there is great incentive to tell a big giant fib.

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L.J. Lorenzen is not as skeptical as Philip Klass although he does offer a note of caution.

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And I do believe that there is a hard core of cases that does represent extraterrestrial

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investigative probes of some kind.

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Now there are a lot of cases I'm sure where there are simply people with emotional or

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mental problems that take the UFO as a vehicle no pun intended of expression to express their

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emotional problems.

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But it is something we have to watch for especially when we are dealing with these kidnapping and

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contact cases.

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We have to watch those very very carefully for elements of that.

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Most of those who investigate the UFO phenomena seem to agree on at least one item the sightings

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occur in cycles.

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Here is John Aikoff.

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About every five years there seems to be a real peak in reporting activity and UFO activity

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and this is held true since 1947.

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There was a peak in 1952 another one in 1957 another one in 62 and 63 and so on up until

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1973 was the last peak.

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If this cycle continues to exist we would expect a peak in 1978 again.

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There should be a rash of UFO sightings.

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The reason I make this prediction is that the movie producer Steven Spielberg who produced

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the thriller about sharks known as Jaws has produced a new thriller about UFOs.

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The motion picture Mr. Klass is talking about is close encounters of the third kind a fictionalized

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account of extraterrestrials visiting this planet.

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Close encounters premiered in the United States in November.

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Now my theory is that the UFO flaps are essentially produced by psychology.

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In other words that when there is a lot of news about UFO reports in the newspapers and

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radio and television and the movie theaters that this induces more people to go out looking

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at night and with more people out looking they're going to see meteors re-entering satellites

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aircraft doing flight test maneuvers etc.

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And so the Spielberg movie I'm looking forward to it because I think it will provide a very

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valuable test that these are actual craft that come every five years and every five years

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they explore a different part of the US.

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And my theory that the psychological aspects of the problem are the dominant ones and if

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that's correct we can expect not only a rash of UFO reports but we can expect many many

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more reports of people who claim to have been abducted and taken aboard a flying saucer who

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claim to have seen strange mysterious little creatures creatures similar to those that

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will appear in the Spielberg movie.

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Will we or won't we see an upsurge of UFO reports in the near future?

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Are they real or are they not?

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John A. Koff.

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We can only answer it with any honesty at all by saying that we know what UFOs are not.

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We know that they are not anything conventional.

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Then beyond that you have to start speculating and theorizing and this is a lot of fun to

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do but it is not factual as yet.

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But of course one of the theories is that UFOs might be extraterrestrial spacecraft

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visiting us just as we have taken some very small steps away from our planet.

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Maybe somebody else has been able to take a much larger step and start visiting us.

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From Studio One the Voice of America has brought you Unidentified Flying Objects.

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The debate continues.

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The voices heard on this program were taped in Northridge, California, Phoenix, Arizona,

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the Pentagon and the Voice of America studios in Washington, D.C.

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Your narrator was Harry Munro.

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Unidentified Flying Objects.

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The debate continues was written and directed by Dan Noble.

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